Douglas Murray and Extremism

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/whys/whys_20091230-1928a.mp3

Douglas Murray (http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/people)

is very smart in his rhetoric during this shallow debate,,,

He (Douglas Murray) is a person who is congratulated and praised by Christopher Hitchens " the "Babbling idiot.. " (paraphrasing) George Galloway, when George devasted Hitchens and "exposed him" on stage whilst Hitchens mumbled defiantly justifying the war in iraq via text book rhetoric! Hitchens and Dawkins are the famous "idiot Athesists" as so many people people and scholars put it....

Back To Douglas, the main areas of criticism being His ;

1.) Not Acknowledging to the deserved extent at which foreign policy has played in

this the new "War on Terror" .... If he Douglas had an ounce of honesty and truthfulness

( i guess being a Hitchenite this would not be possible ) he would of realised the state of affairs 10 years ago and the state of affairs now ...

Yes! There was Extremism to the level of a cult following rather than what we have now spreading like wildfire ...

2.) the dialogue and Douglas was a tremendous failure and the panel failed in being concise ;

that Extremism is one principle ... That anyone can be 95% inline with Orthodox islam

and fail on a single "principle" thus crossing the line into "Extremism" and rebellion .... That single principle is well known within islam but is close to the emotions of mankind ..."wars" "death", "occupation" (the fact we live in a highly charged information age) activate emotional instincts in the person and sometimes crossing the line (into extremism) is not an intellectual one but an emotion-linked one.

Thus, the Government could do well in supporting the Wahaby groups rather than

attacking them as they have credibility behind them and it is so ironic that they

attack a group whose Main Scholar "Ibn Baaz" issued a FATWA against Bin Laden and Al-Qaeeda in 1997. The famous illegitimate fatwa on Salman Rushdie's (head) has got so much Media attention but yet no-one has heard of Ibn Baaz's "infamous fatwa"

.... is this the political-Machinations (games) churning away yet again, i wonder .... ?

3.) I have personally been within 4 college and university ISOCS (Islamic societies) and the realities of politicized islaam were true in the 1990's as the "justified jehads" were inas full flow Bosnia, Chechnya etc.. but nowadays the spectrum of the ISOCS have changed and the politicizers have been driven underground and debunked such as in the case with HT, Muhajiroun etc, a major contributor and alternative to this trend has been "funnily enough" the spread of Wahabi'ism material and understanding !.... of which the government continues to blame .

4)

The Killings perpetuated by muslims

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Douglas again simplifies and blatantly tries to "trick" listeners and covering up indirect killings ... those (indirect) killings that are perpertrated amidst the chaos that "occupation" brings and has which has always brought! the deaths

of civilians and the relative stability of Iraq is no mystery under Sadam as any iraqi family will tell you ....

The chaos that the war in iraq war should not be a "surprise". Just in 1994 a senior representative of the US government live on TV (as can be seen on youtube) gave the reason why the decision was not taken to chase Sadam into Baghdad in the first gulf war the "quagmire" and the exact details with the iranians, kurds etc. was given by him and "prophetically" is exactly what has happened now.

4) Douglas brings the attack to the Muslim, he says: "What about Darfur, Sadam, Why do you remain quiet about those muslim Tyrants?"

Well, Darfur is a recent phenomena and Sadam as "all muslims know" was attacked repeatedly on the pulpit and was Al-Qaeedahs number 1 target for oft so long ,,,,, Saying all of this We Muslims know that we have and will continue to have "internal" problems, this is the case for many nations and cultures .... by "internal" and "external" problems should and is seperated, as Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan, Somalia are "external" problems .....